Alright, the judges are now seated
Justice Ugo: Thank you all for coming today. I hope you will give us your full cooperation. I can see a female SAN at Peter Obi’s lawyers angle. Let me call you what Livy calls you ‘Valeria’ (Everyone is now laughing).
SAN Valeria stands up and takes a bow with a huge smile on her face.
Justice Adah: You can call her Val for short, but only one person can call her that. And he is not here. He’s at home
The Clerk has now called the case.
Labour Party – Comrade Ladi Iliya, Deputy National Chairman LP
APC – Chris Magida, Director Legal Services, APC
Lead Counsel
Labour Party – SAN Livy Uzoukwu
While he was announcing the names of the lawyers on his side, he said SAN Valariiiaaa (It’s actually Valerie, but he’s used to calling her like that)
Everyone, including the judges, started laughing
A lawyer from the back: Just call her Val
SAN Livy: I don’t have that license to call Val, it’s with her husband
INEC: SAN AB Mahmoud
Tinubu and Shettima: SAN Olanipekun
APC: SAN LO Fagbemi
SAN Livy is now up on his feet to continue with the witness PW8 from yesterday
He has passed the microphone to SAN Ikwueto to lead the proceedings for the Cyber Security Expert Witness
SAN Ikwueto has now asked the witness to step forward
The witness is now moving towards the witness box
The Secretary is up now to “solemnly” remind the witness Dr. Chibuike about his oath yesterday.
INEC is now up to start cross-examination of the witness.
INEC: Dr. You’re a very experienced cyber security and risk expert
Dr: Yes
INEC: So because I’d that you should be familiar with the cyber security space of the court, try
Dr: I would like you to be exact
INEC: Well, you know well about cybersecurity risks in the country
Dr: It depends
INEC: In paragraph 9, you mentioned ISO
D: ISO 27001 that’s what it’s called
INEC: It’s not a statutory requirement for INEC
D: You’re wrong
INEC: Is it statutory
D: Yes, it is
INEC: Under what law
D: It’s under the guidelines and regulations under any ICT standard organization
INEC: It is not statutory
D: It is statutory
INEC: Under which law
D: Under NITDA, the minimum requirement is ISO
INEC: When were you instructed by the Labour Party to carry out this
D: On March 10 2023
INEC: And when did you complete
D: I did a preliminary on 17th March, and the Middle of May was when I submitted the final report
INEC: Before you start the report, you read the report and replies of the petition
D: Yes
INEC: You read the petition and reply before you started your investigation
D: You are wrong. That is wrong
INEC: So you never read the report reply or petition. That is why you are saying to the court
D: That would be wrong. I read it at the point of my final report
INEC: In paragraph 18, you referred to errors
D: Yes
INEC: I’m reaching your conclusion. You did not speak to anyone from INEC
D: I did not have to
INEC: You did not
D: I did not
INEC: In your paragraph 19, you talked about testing an app before it is deployed
D: That’s correct
INEC: And you mentioned it’s to detect potential errors. I suggest to you that errors can be discovered at the testing stage
D: That’s correct
INEC: And sometimes it is detected after deployment
D: That is not correct. It’s going to be a very small error and not on that large scale. It’s very probable but not huge, like what happened
INEC: But it’s not impossible
D: It’s not impossible
INEC: In paragraphs 22 and 23, you mentioned meta data
D: Yes, that it would show meta data
INEC: You talked about 3 polling units there on that paragraph
D: Yes
INEC: Did you inspect the form EC8As of those 3 polling units
D: I did not have to
INEC: You can not tell if the results of those 3 PU were possibly collated, the EC8As
D: That was not for me to do. I only presented the facts
INEC: You have not answered
D: Well, I think you should rephrase the question
INEC: I will not rephrase it
D: Well, I can not answer that
INEC: Okay. So all you did was on your computer
D: Yes
INEC: Let me see the exhibit PCA2.
You’re familiar with the Amazon services
D: Very familiar
INEC: How familiar
D: As related to security, I would say very
INEC: The AWS is from Amazon, right?
D: You’re correct this time
(Everyone is laughing)
INEC: AWS is responsible for the components
D: No. There are 3 properties, confidentiality and
INEC cuts him short…
INEC: No, no, I don’t want to hear your explanation
D: Well, I want to explain
INEC: I said I don’t want to explain
Justice Tsammani: We want to hear the explanation
INEC: That’s not what I asked him
Ikwueto is now up
San Ikwueto: I didn’t want to stand up at all today, but the lordships say he wants to hear him. Let him speak
Witness: Confidentiality, integrity, and availability are the responsibility of AWS, which is CIA
INEC: That’s okay
Justice Adah: Let him speak
‘Everyone is now hailing the judges.
INEC: Is there anything about the electronic collation system on your document on exhibit PCA2
Yes. It is inferred on the last paragraph
INEC: Read it out loud
He reads it
INEC: So where is it
Witness: On the last paragraph
INEC: Okay, that would be all
Tinubu and Shettima’s lawyer is now up
Olanipekun
O: Was it in your brief to help the Labour Party respond to their petition
W: I am a subject matter expert
O: Answer my question
W: No, it was not
O: Did you inspect any BVAS
W: No
O: Did you interview Festus Okoye on the document you referred to
W: No
O: In paragraph 23, Bauchi State, are you aware PDP won there
W: I’m not aware
O: In paragraph 24, you referred to Anambra State. Are you aware the Labour Party won in that LGA you referred to and also the State with over 95%.
This party is the party that brought you here
W: I am not aware. I am not biased.
I only gave expert services
O: I didn’t say you are biased. Are you aware of the fact that the Labour Party won states in the presidential election with over 6 million votes
W: I am not aware
O: You mentioned meta data
W: I explained in my statement
O: Please say it out now
W: It describes information of other data
O: Your exhibit A is made up of 11 pages
W: Let me count.
Witness is counting really slowly
W: You’re correct, but it extends more than 11
O: Oh, how many
Witness is still counting and wasting time
W: It’s 23
O: You mentioned things that are coded
W: What do you mean by coded
O: Which are not explained. Correct
W: You are not correct
O: The information here, tell my lords what decryption is
W: Give me time
O: No, explain
W: I just want to think of a simpler term. It means information that is readable
O: You also supplied links in your statement
W: Yes
O: By supplying links, you want the court to go and browse and get the information by themselves
Witness: No, let me explain
Ikwueto is now up
Ikwueto and Olanipekun are now in a heated argument
Ikwueto: He said he wants to explain.
O: I am on my feet, Sit down. I don’t need his explanation
Witness: I said I wanted to explain, I didn’t just say no
O: And I don’t need your explanation
Ikwueto: Then why did you ask him the question
O: You are making me shout, don’t annoy me. I said I don’t need his explanation
O: Do you know that you have 10,017 characters in your statement
W: I don’t need to know
O: Oh, so you don’t need to know
W: Yes
O: My lord, he said he don’t need to know that his entire characters are decrypted
W: That is not what I said
O: Okay. In your statement, you made reference to Bauchi, Anambra, and Rivers
W: My witness statements included a lot, so you’re not right
O: Your witness statements say it
W: Then show me where I said so in my statement
O: In pages 8 to 11 of your meta data submissions, which shows Benue State, but you didn’t refer to it in your statement
W: That is not true
The judges are now looking at the pages called
O: Did you refer to Benue State
W: Rephrase the question
O: No
W: There’s Benue but not just Benue. Other states are listed
O: In paragraph 24 in your statement, in PU Umueza Pry School 1 in the LGA you listed, the Labour Party scored 117 votes, and APC scored 0
The judges are laughing at how he pronounced the Umueza (I don’t know I’d I spelt it right)
W: I am not aware, and it doesn’t touch on my expertise
O: Thank you. Witness have a good day
W: Oh, I will. You too
APC lawyer is now up
APC: Witness, do you know about the agreement between AWS and its customers
W: Yes. It’s called SLA. Service Level Agreement
APC: And it contains the security feature
W: If by that you mean availability, then yes
APC: The security features agreement are only known to parties, and they can unlock it at any time
W: No. I’m afraid that is incorrect
This witness is so smart.
APC: The agreement is known only to the parties
W: No, but the SLA, you can choose the service you want
APC: So it’s to the public the one you choose
W: It’s not displayed to the public
APC: Wow, I like your voice
W: I appreciate yours, too
APC: In your statement on exhibit A, you listed 12 PU results
W: Yes
APC: Face the judges. Stop looking at your lawyers
Who helped you do this report
W: I did it myself. Why would I need people to do my report for me
APC: So you don’t have juniors, we lawyers have juniors
W: No, I did it myself
